The clubhouse is not part of the SPA, so the maintenance of the clubhouse shall not be included into the Bayan Villa common maintenance. The clubhouse is built next to Bayan Villa, but it is separated from the Bayan Villa townhouse.
The developer is going to build the clubhouse as planned, and the owners of Bayan Villa are given privilege to join the clubhouse as members without any charge. The members are required to pay approximately RM50 monthly for the clubhouse maintenance, which is separated from the Bayan Villa common area maintenance.
Some argued the common area maintenance fee is too high as it does not cover the clubhouse maintenance. The common area maintenance fee will be at RM0.15 per sq ft as stated, without covering the clubhouse maintenance.
As what David commented, once Joint Management Body (JMB) is establish, a committee is appointed to run Bayan Villa. The committee, represented by elected buyers + developer will have to decide on fees to be collected in order to maintain the common areas. He added, once the strata title is issued, a Management Corporation (MC) is set up, and the developer will be out of the picture. The MC committee will decide on issues concerning Bayan Villa.
Basically, how much we have to pay monthly for maintenance is decided by us. Of course, the more we pay, the better we can have our neighbourhood maintained. The well-maintained and the poorly-maintained are actually depending on how much money we pay monthly for the maintenance of the neighbourhood, especially something like Bayan Villa, which was endowed with beautiful landscapes, water features, CCTV, security, etc.
As for the clubhouse, Kenneth of Bukit Ikhlas mentioned that he would love to include the clubhouse into Bayan Villa project and maintained by the maintenance fees collected, but he couldn't do it as it was separated by the previous developer. Kenneth bought over this project from the previous developer to save Bayan Villa, to avoid Bayan Villa to become another abandon project in Selangor.
He stressed that he was looking at possibility of selling membership to neighbouring projects like Jia. This move was to collect sufficient fund for the clubhouse in order to ensure the facilities in it were all well-maintained.
Kenneth added that after the MC had been formed, and a vote was taken by the owners to take the clubhouse in, he would gladly sell the clubhouse to Bukit Ikhlas home owners for a token sum.
Friday, July 3, 2009
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Hi Sam,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the update. Though it MAY BE good if we could reduce the monthly maintenance fee, but i WILL NOT wish to do this at the expense of the maintenance quality. Honestly, i did a simple calculation and think that 0.15ct is actually quite fair, taking into consideration the lift maintenance, security, landscaping etc.
While for the clubhouse, let's do a simple calculation ~ RM50 per unit, means we may collect RM20k per month (provided all 400 unit owners willing to pay it). Is this sufficient to cover the maintenance? Bearing in mind that we will have swimming pool, tennis courts, squash etc. Opening the membership to others would be unavoidable if RM20k is not sufficient, unless we are willing to pay more than RM50 per month.
just my 2cent.
regards,
Jarron
Jarron, your calculation is interesting and it gave the buyers and developer an idea on what to decide on the clubhouse. Basically I agree with you that the quality of the maintenance must not be compromised, and maintaining so many units of lifts, security, landscaping, etc., will not be cheap too.
ReplyDeleteHi All,
ReplyDeleteA simple calculation too, average maintenance fees RM200 x 400 units is RM80K++,is this not sufficient to cover up the clubhouse,lift & landscaping?I really wonder how can Gita Bayu and Lakedge can do that.
During my previous few visit to the site, I noticed that there were at least three guards stationed at site any one time (I even seen five guards at one time). Equiping with the intercom, cctv etc, i guess the monthly fee to the security company alone may already cost at least 15k.
ReplyDeletelift maintenance is not cheap either (not sure if Gita Bayu or Lakedge have lift service?).
garderner?
also, not forgeting, the 0.15 ct include sinking fund as well...
i think this is a very interesting area to explore, both by the committee and developer. hoping that we could find the "right" price which will please all parties (though i think this could be quite difficult and i still opined 0.15ct is fair enough :-p)
regards,
Jarron
I think the first developer plan to use the rm0.15 psf + rm50 to maintain both BV and Clubhouse, because if only rm50 per unit, definately not sufficient to maitain the clubhouse.
ReplyDeleteSo if the club house is separated from bv, I think the rm0.15 psf is more than enough for bv only and should be revised.
As for the lift, all lifts in bv are small lift and only used by 8 families max, so the usage going to be low, compare with condo's large lift and high usage. So will the lift maintenance very high? Maybe someone from this profession can clarify.
For the landscaping, cctv and security guard, those are standard services and facilities which also exist in other projects with cheaper maintenance fee.
For the club house, I also disagree the idea of BV taking over, not all owner will agree and this will add burden to the future management. I would prefer it be open to other resident nearby and charge higher monthly fee. Maybe BV owner get 1st year free membership to attract buyers.
Just my 2 sen
I have a unit in Sri Pinang Apartment and I am paying RM150 monthly for sinking fund + maintenance. My unit is only 922 sqft. Let's do another simple calculation:-
ReplyDeleteRM150 divided by 922 sqft is around RM0.163 per sqft.
In the apartment, it has a super small swimming pool where I only need to move 5 times to get from one end to another using breaststroke at the longest range. The gym room has dumb-bells and some weights, a yoga ball, a the-most-basic treadmill and one or two static bikes. It has two small sauna room, one for male and another for female. Also, there is a multi-purpose hall for events, functions and yoga class. Besides that, it has a not-well-maintained and non-standard squash court. According to my tenants, nobody is playing squash anymore because of the 'wounded' wooden floor and uneven wall.
I went to the apartment yesterday, I read the resident notice board, there was a list listing all the units who had outstanding fees. The most is owning over RM3,700.
I think everyone here do agree to pay additional RM50 for the clubhouse,now only the membership open to public or not is at issue.Let say the maintenance collection is 80K+20K,100K is still not enough to cover all?
ReplyDeleteBut not everyone agrees to pay RM0.15 per sq ft for the common area maintenance.
ReplyDeleteI think most are agree to pay rm0.15 psf + rm50 for club house and BV maintenance. The concern is rm0.15 psf for bv only is expensive.
ReplyDeleteAnd according to sales person, they will only start building the club house in september, let say take another 2 years to build, how is maintenance fee for that 2 years?
Yes,I do agreed to pay RM0.15 psf + RM50 for both facilities,but if is without the clubhouse, this rate is not acceptable.
ReplyDeleteor should we form a temporary committee now? so that we could have an official body to discuss / negotiate this, also other matters with the developer and other relevant parties...
ReplyDeleteIf the developer were to reduce 3 to 5 security guards and cleaners, or to engage a more paliah (cheaper) vendor to service the elevators in order to reduce the maintenance cost, I do not think this is something good for us.
ReplyDeleteLet's not argue without any visible statistical evidence because we do not really know how much cost needed to have our neighbourhood being well-kept, I am no pro in this.
To form a temporary committee now is a good idea, but we need more buyers to involve in this else it will be useless.
i'm agree with sam, they is no argue on this first. For me 0.15 still acceptable to keep our environment in best condition.
ReplyDeletewe have to form a temporary committee as sam saying right now.
Way Loon
Hi Way Loon, I think I need to raise this idea on my blog as an entry to get everyone's concerns.
ReplyDeleteHi,
ReplyDeletei would like to complain that the Up-stair's owner (C-17-1-20) is keeping to throw her rubbish around my place, can you please inform Owner Mr Lee's whole family to keep all environment clean. It is too much!!!